Cooperative Zendo

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Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

Postby Kappa » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:33 am

Rejections for formatting don't make the "no" list, as we discovered when I tried '123456789'.
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Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

Postby Moriwen » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:40 am

'ebe' got omitted from the list.

More experiments in ordering:
'bzc'
'zbc'
'zcb'
'cbz'
'czb'

Experiments with vowels:

'bbce'
'baeiou'
'aeioub'
'bbceeeeee'
'bcc'

I note that every failed koan so far has a vowel in it.
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Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

Postby Throne3d » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:59 am

'bbć'
'bbç'
'bbĉ'
'bbc̆' – should display with the semicircle ('breve') above the 'c' but is displaying weirdly for me here
'bbč'

I have no idea what sorts of accents are allowed in the guess input, since apparently 'ë' is allowed as an input.

'qwx'
'zym'
'myz'
'xwq'

(There seem to be a few 'three-consonant' allows?)

'odd'

Are we allowed whitespace, or just letters?
'this test' for example
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Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

Postby Timepoof » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:01 am

'before'?
'brood'?
'box'?
The WAFFLES will submit to this indignity.
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Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

Postby DanielH » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:07 am

It could be that ë is just treated as e, but I would expect then ſ to count as s, and ß to count as ss.

'a'
'd'
'e'
'f'
'g'
'h'
'i'
'j'
'k'
'l'
'm'
'n'
'o'
'p'
'q'
'r'
't'
'u'
'v'
'w'
'x'
'y'
'z'

'bb'

'thistest'

EDIT: removed 'c' because it was repeated.
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Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

Postby Kappa » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:07 am

I request that Pedro tell us whether or not Roman-alphabet letters wearing accents are having their accents discounted in preprocessing - in other words, for rule evaluation purposes, are all of Throne's variously decorated 'bbc's considered to be the same string?
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Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

Postby pedromvilar » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:25 am

DanielH wrote:It could be that ë is just treated as e, but I would expect then ſ to count as s, and ß to count as ss.

Kappa wrote:I request that Pedro tell us whether or not Roman-alphabet letters wearing accents are having their accents discounted in preprocessing - in other words, for rule evaluation purposes, are all of Throne's variously decorated 'bbc's considered to be the same string?

I'm discounting accents from Roman alphabet letters and considering Fëanor to be the same as Feanor and, therefore, all of Throne's attempts at bbc are the same. I'm not considering ſ to count as s or ß to count as ss because those aren't just Roman alphabet letters with accents.

Kappa wrote:'abcdef'
'ghijklm'
'nopqrs'
'tuvwxyz'

Yes, no, no, no

Moriwen wrote:'ebe' got omitted from the list.

More experiments in ordering:
'bzc'
'zbc'
'zcb'
'cbz'
'czb'

Experiments with vowels:

'bbce'
'baeiou'
'aeioub'
'bbceeeeee'
'bcc'

I note that every failed koan so far has a vowel in it.


I have added 'ebe' to the list.
Ordering experiments: all of those are yesses.
Vowel experiments: no, yes, yes, no, yes

Throne3d wrote:'qwx'
'zym'
'myz'
'xwq'

(There seem to be a few 'three-consonant' allows?)

'odd'

Are we allowed whitespace, or just letters?
'this test' for example


Yes, yes, yes, yes, no, I'm gonna consider whitespaces as not present so thistest is a no.

Timepoof wrote:'before'?
'brood'?
'box'?


All no

DanielH wrote:'a'
'd'
'e'
'f'
'g'
'h'
'i'
'j'
'k'
'l'
'm'
'n'
'o'
'p'
'q'
'r'
't'
'u'
'v'
'w'
'x'
'y'
'z'

'bb'


e, i, o, and u are nos, the rest are yes

Koans
Yes
bbc
ccb
BBC
Bbc
b
bbcc
{empty string}
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
aeiou
aeiouy
ae
bcz
c
abcdefghijklm
s
ss
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
bcb
cbb
back
bbcbbc
abcdef
bzc
zbc
zcb
cbz
czb
baeiou
aeioub
bcc
qwx
zym
myz
xwq
a
y
d
f
g
h
j
k
l
m
n
p
q
r
t
v
w
x
y
z
bb

No
bee
aac
baa
ebb
ooaa
aaaaaabc
ebbc
beec
nopqrstuvwxyz
qwerty
Fëanor
aa
be
even
eeb
cobweb
beebee
bbcbee
beebbc
bbbece
bbebec
ebe
ghijklm
nopqrs
tuvwxyz
bbce
bbceeeeee
odd
thistest
before
brood
box
e
i
o
u
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Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

Postby Throne3d » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:32 am

'cz'
'czz'
'czzz'
'czzzz'
'cc'
'ccc'
'cccc'
'ccccc'

'aaa'
'aab'
'abc'

'qwertyuiop'
'asdfghjkl'
'zxcvbnm'
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Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

Postby Timepoof » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:33 am

'fore'?
'bi'?
'frost'?
'ood'?
'ox'?
'yo'?
'you'?
The WAFFLES will submit to this indignity.
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Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

Postby Moriwen » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:35 am

Okay, at this point I'm pretty sure that having at least one vowel is necessary-but-not-sufficient to get a "no". So now I'm trying to figure out what can redeem a string with vowels in it.

...Is the rule "if the string contains vowels, they must be in alphabetical order, starting at a, not skipping or repeating any, but possibly stopping before getting through all the vowels"?
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