Cooperative Zendo

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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Postby DanielH » Wed Oct 12, 2016 8:05 pm

I didn’t mean to violate the spirit of your subset/superset markers; I wasn’t sure what spirit they were offered in.

*heartily agrees with Lambda’s screaming*

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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Postby Unbitwise » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:31 pm

"ends with any of aegmnprsxy"

Yes: fizz (newly added)
No: jeep

I didn’t mean to violate the spirit of your subset/superset markers; I wasn’t sure what spirit they were offered in.

Not about subset/superset, but about the form of guesses. A guess should be a valid rule, and a rule should be interpretable without referring to outside sources (per the discussion I recall being had to design this particular game variant).

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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Postby DanielH » Wed Oct 12, 2016 9:50 pm

Words with no letters with descenders (qypgj) in their first half, nor letters with ascenders (tidfhjklb) in their second half. And, for lack of ambiguity, I’ll say that for odd length words the middle letter can have either.

Edit: I should have used the other possibility for odd length strings: the middle letter can have neither. Then our only composite-length NO which fits my rule is strangers.
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Postby Lambda » Thu Oct 13, 2016 6:12 am

Ends with any of aegmnprsxyz.
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Postby DanielH » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:14 am

To help distinguish my rule from yours:

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bloc
iraq (may not be allowed)
slav (same)
slaw
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Postby DanielH » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:28 am

Also:

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jive
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Postby DanielH » Thu Oct 13, 2016 7:59 am

Also adventurousness, aristodemocracy
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Postby Lambda » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:55 am

Currently known constraints:
  • Composite length
  • Doesn't start with: g
  • Doesn't end with: k l t

Suspected elements:
  • Multiplication and/or factors are involved somehow
  • Ascenders and descenders are involved somehow

Disproven/disavowed theories:
  • Vowels are interchangeable
  • Order doesn't matter
  • Alphabetical order is involved somehow
  • Counting of elements is involved somehow
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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Postby Unbitwise » Thu Oct 13, 2016 8:57 am

Yes: bloc slaw
No: jive june raja kazoo adventurousness aristodemocracy

Words with no letters with descenders (qypgj) in their first half, nor letters with ascenders (tidfhjklb) in their second half. And, for lack of ambiguity, I’ll say that for odd length words the middle letter can have either.

Edit: I should have used the other possibility for odd length strings: the middle letter can have neither

This is a superset.
No: aristodemocracy (which I will note is 15 letters long)
(Also, you didn't include (or logically imply) the composite-length restriction, so I could have just given you a 3 or 5-letter word as no. But since I didn't, you have the same information as if you had guessed that.)

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Re: Cooperative Zendo

Postby pedromvilar » Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:30 am

Unbitwise wrote:
I didn’t mean to violate the spirit of your subset/superset markers; I wasn’t sure what spirit they were offered in.

Not about subset/superset, but about the form of guesses. A guess should be a valid rule, and a rule should be interpretable without referring to outside sources (per the discussion I recall being had to design this particular game variant).


A koan and a rule can't refer to outside sources, in the sense that the same koans should always have the same classification no matter how and when they're presented - e.g. if the word "bloc" is a yes then it should remain so no matter who writes it, when, or whether they do it here or via IMs or whether it's spoken out loud or written on a napkin or sent by telepathy or...

By that token, a rule that goes "exactly this list of words is a yes and all other words are no" is as valid as any.
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