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Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:03 pm
by Unbitwise
'bcz' ?
'aaaaaabc' ?
'ebbc' ?
'beec' ?
'c' ?
'abcdefghijklm' ?
'nopqrstuvwxyz' ?

Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 9:12 pm
by pedromvilar
Kappa wrote:'ooaa' ?
'aeiou' ?
'aeiouy' ?
'ae' ?


No, yes, yes, yes

Unbitwise wrote:'bcz' ?
'aaaaaabc' ?
'ebbc' ?
'beec' ?
'c' ?
'abcdefghijklm' ?
'nopqrstuvwxyz' ?


Yes, no, no, no, yes, yes, no


jalapeno_dude wrote:My guess is "any string of letters except for ['bee','aac','baa','ebb']."

(I don't expect this is correct but am interested in how it will be proved to be incorrect.)


Kappa's first Koan up there serves as a counterexample.

Koans
Yes
bbc
ccb
BBC
Bbc
b
bbcc
{empty string}
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
aeiou
aeiouy
ae
bcz
c
abcdefghijklm

No
bee
aac
baa
ebb
ooaa
aaaaaabc
ebbc
beec
nopqrstuvwxyz

Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 12:09 am
by DanielH
'qwerty'
's'
'ss'
'ß'
'Fëanor'
'ſucceſsful'
'σειρά'
'חוּט'

Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:22 am
by pedromvilar
DanielH wrote:'qwerty'
's'
'ss'
'ß'
'Fëanor'
'ſucceſsful'
'σειρά'
'חוּט'


When I said "letters" I meant "English letters," edited the first post to reflect that. 's' and 'ss' are yesses, 'qwerty' and 'Fëanor' are nos.

Koans
Yes
bbc
ccb
BBC
Bbc
b
bbcc
{empty string}
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
aeiou
aeiouy
ae
bcz
c
abcdefghijklm
s
ss

No
bee
aac
baa
ebb
ooaa
aaaaaabc
ebbc
beec
nopqrstuvwxyz
qwerty
Fëanor

Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:28 am
by Moriwen
Including my thoughts behind my guesses in a spoilerbox, since people were suggesting sharing them.

thought process
An awful lot of the "no"s seem to have doubled letters, but not all. Dunno what's up with that.

The empty string made it, so there's no "must contain" requirement.

The whole alphabet made it, so there's probably no "must not contain" requirement. I'll double-check with capitals.

We've never seen "add one letter" take us from "yes" to "no" or vice versa. I'm gonna try and make that happen.

I'm curious if order matters, so I'm going to check for that


'ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ'?
'aa'?
'be'?
'bcb'?
'cbb'?
'ebe'?
'eeb'?

Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:42 am
by Timepoof
'back'?
'cobweb'?

Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 6:57 am
by DanielH
Moriwen wrote:Including my thoughts behind my guesses in a spoilerbox, since people were suggesting sharing them.

thought process
An awful lot of the "no"s seem to have doubled letters, but not all. Dunno what's up with that.

The empty string made it, so there's no "must contain" requirement.

The whole alphabet made it, so there's probably no "must not contain" requirement. I'll double-check with capitals.

We've never seen "add one letter" take us from "yes" to "no" or vice versa. I'm gonna try and make that happen.

I'm curious if order matters, so I'm going to check for that


'ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ'?
'aa'?
'be'?
'bcb'?
'cbb'?
'ebe'?
'eeb'?


My guess on the first paragraph of your spoilerbox: both initial examples fit that pattern, so a lot of our guesses have..

More guesses, messing around with the first examples:

'bbcbbc'
'beebee'
'bbcbee'
'beebbc'
'bbbece'
'bbebec'
'b'

Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:18 am
by pedromvilar
Moriwen wrote:'ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ'?
'aa'?
'be'?
'bcb'?
'cbb'?
'ebe'?
'eeb'?


Yes, no, no, yes, yes, no, no

Timepoof wrote:'back'?
'cobweb'?


Yes, no

DanielH wrote:'bbcbbc'
'beebee'
'bbcbee'
'beebbc'
'bbbece'
'bbebec'
'b'


Yes, no, no, no, no, no, repeated yes

Koans
Yes
bbc
ccb
BBC
Bbc
b
bbcc
{empty string}
abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
aeiou
aeiouy
ae
bcz
c
abcdefghijklm
s
ss
ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ
bcb
cbb
back
bbcbbc

No
bee
aac
baa
ebb
ooaa
aaaaaabc
ebbc
beec
nopqrstuvwxyz
qwerty
Fëanor
aa
be
even
eeb
cobweb
beebee
bbcbee
beebbc
bbbece
bbebec

Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:22 am
by Kappa
'abcdef'
'ghijklm'
'nopqrs'
'tuvwxyz'

Re: Cooperative Zendo: First Attempt

PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:27 am
by Throne3d
Is "Fëanor" a 'no' because 'ë' is not an English letter, or actually ruled out because of the rule?